View Full Version : The Suits Challenging Obama Birthplace
Schuarta
10-21-2008, 07:32 PM
If you haven't read this info yet, you may be interested.
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Unfortunately, the people who are voting for BHO really do not care if he is a U.S. citizen or not. Furthermore, If it is found out that he is not a citizen, and is already elected, The House would have to initiate an impeachement, and I can not see Pelosi doing that, even at the cost of a Constitutional crisis.
The sad part of this whole thing is if BHO wanted to be a Secret Service agent and protect the president, he would not be able to obtain that type of clearance due to his questionable associations and citizenship, but yet he can be the president.
dragongrrl
10-22-2008, 06:36 PM
Unfortunately, the people who are voting for BHO really do not care if he is a U.S. citizen or not.
Alex, I like you. But this is a ridiculous statement.
Jerry
10-22-2008, 11:11 PM
Alex, I like you. But this is a ridiculous statement.
Not ridiculous at all. It is a matter of fact....they will support Obama if a video of him in the act of felony was produced. It's racist, pure and simple...even though he is half caucasion.
Schuarta
10-22-2008, 11:48 PM
By the way, don't think for a moment that BHO is going to Hawaii to see his sick grandmother. He's going there to cover up birth records, or lack of them, which would indicate his birth in Kenya!
Turbodog
10-23-2008, 01:05 PM
I agree wirth Jerry. Alex's comments are not too far off. If he had said some of the people, or many of the people, rather than just the people, he would have been spot on.
I am embarrassed for my country that we are about to elect a man who couldn't get security clearance to serve as a secret service, fbi or cia agent as our president. Said times, indeed.
The takers are close to outnumbering the givers. Thatis the danger point. When the givers get tired of funding the takers, a major change is near. I can tell you that the givers I know are sick and tired of it, and the biggest taker of them all is about to become president. Bad times are ahead for Amercia.
I agree wirth Jerry. Alex's comments are not too far off. If he had said some of the people, or many of the people, rather than just the people, he would have been spot on.
I am embarrassed for my country that we are about to elect a man who couldn't get security clearance to serve as a secret service, fbi or cia agent as our president. Said times, indeed.
The takers are close to outnumbering the givers. Thatis the danger point. When the givers get tired of funding the takers, a major change is near. I can tell you that the givers I know are sick and tired of it, and the biggest taker of them all is about to become president. Bad times are ahead for Amercia.
I do indeed need to be corrected for making such a blanket statement, and Turbodog is correct. I should have phrased it as a "sizable percentage" of people voting for Barrack Obama.
If any of the legal challenges regarding BO's citizenship (there are three that I know of), result in a determination that he is not a citizen, and after all appeals are exhausted, what will be done?
Will BO resign? Will Pelosi initiate impeachment, or will Pelosi and Reid try to ammend the Constitution to accommodate him?
dragongrrl
10-23-2008, 08:14 PM
Well I disagree with a "sizable proportion". But I'm glad you were willing to alter the original comment.
The candidates are neck in neck. So 50% of the country is unpatriotic or traitorous? I'll bet I know more Democrats than you do, Alex, and they are all patriots. There may be some who feel Obama's value would outweigh the need for him to be a citizen, I don't know. I doubt it and I'm sure all of you would disagree with that as is your right.
People who are voting for BHO believe that this is his Birth Certificate.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Well I disagree with a "sizable proportion". But I'm glad you were willing to alter the original comment.
The candidates are neck in neck. So 50% of the country is unpatriotic or traitorous? I'll bet I know more Democrats than you do, Alex, and they are all patriots. There may be some who feel Obama's value would outweigh the need for him to be a citizen, I don't know. I doubt it and I'm sure all of you would disagree with that as is your right.
People who are voting for BHO believe that this is his Birth Certificate.
http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn227/Polarik/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg
Well, then enjoy the republic and vote your beliefs. I will do the same. Just make sure to vote because that is more important than who wins.
dragongrrl
10-24-2008, 08:30 AM
I will. Thanks for the discussion. :D
Schuarta
10-24-2008, 02:17 PM
. . . . There may be some who feel Obama's value would outweigh the need for him to be a citizen. . . .
Doesn't his claim to be born in the U.S., if he was not, indicate his not being truthful (lying) to the American public? Is this the type of candidate you wish to support? Another Clinton?
dragongrrl
10-24-2008, 07:16 PM
Well Schuarta, you would not like my answer to that so I'll just say this: I am not an Obamaniac. But I like McCain even less than I do Obama, so, yes. I'm supporting him. Hopefully next time there will be a better set of choices.
Schuarta
10-24-2008, 09:00 PM
Given the chance (winning the election), Obama, with his socialist and Marxist adgenda, will do so much harm to America that recovery will take many years. I am an old man, not in good health, who won't last that long. I assume that you are much younger. You will suffer from Obama far longer than I. You really need to carefully consider your evaluation of these candidates. Choose wisely!
dragongrrl
10-24-2008, 11:07 PM
Thanks for the advice. I'll take it.:)
Turbodog
10-26-2008, 04:43 PM
Schuarta, a heart felt and good response form you. Obama will do serious harm to our country. The problem is, many productive citizens will leave the contry to live elsewhere (this will happen; those of you that don't believe it, you are very naive; thus your vote for Obama). When many productive citizens leave, the burden on those that stay will be even greater. Socialism will not work. Hard work must be rewarded by a society for that sociey to thrive. In America, it is becoming too easy to take a hand out. Someone hads to be productive. Who will that be? I know several serious tax payers who are contemplating moving to another country (the turbodog wil explore all options as well).
Schuarta
10-26-2008, 05:53 PM
We (wife and I) lived in Canada 1975 thru 2000. Went for top notch job offer. Still have "Landed" status.
Canada pays us S/S, as well as U.S and U.K. Canada also pays us Old Age Pension. If we have to live in a Socialist country, we may as well go to one that has more of the "bugs" worked out.
Still hoping that a miracle is possible in nine days though, and that common sense wins out over "change":crap:!
If we are smart we will learn to make the policies of each candidate work to our advantage so that we may prosper regardless of who wins. Despite 20 years of the Bush-Clinton Dynasty I have been able to improve my lot in life. Hopefully the uphill trend will continue.
Much easier said then done, and since we can not believe ANYTHING they say right now, once one of them starts trying to enact their agenda we can make the adjustments, what ever they may be.
Well, his birth records in Hawaii have been sealed until the conclusion of the election. His birth records in Kenya have been sealed until after the election. Clearly this man is the Messiah, not born of a virgin, but born in two places at one time! a true Miracle!
kcdixiecat
10-29-2008, 11:18 AM
I read these forums and just shake my head in disbelief. It seems to me that it truly does not matter to the liberal voters what they know about this celebrity candidate of theirs..they would vote for him anyway.
I am completely serious when I say that I pray that I am wrong about Obama.
I read these forums and just shake my head in disbelief. It seems to me that it truly does not matter to the liberal voters what they know about this celebrity candidate of theirs..they would vote for him anyway.
I am completely serious when I say that I pray that I am wrong about Obama.
I just got a lecture from my boss about how many evil things republicans have done over the last 8 years and that he is voting for Obama. This guy is not your ususal Kool Aid drinker. I am pretty sure he is a registered republican if not independent. The good news is his dad is the owner of the comapany and he has urged all to vote McCain - LOL. People are all over the charts on this one. I hope if Obama wins he can find his moderate side and govern, rather then trying to legislate some form of socialism and rubber stamping Pelosi and Reid's agendas.
Turbodog
10-29-2008, 01:40 PM
I read these forums and just shake my head in disbelief. It seems to me that it truly does not matter to the liberal voters what they know about this celebrity candidate of theirs..they would vote for him anyway.
I am completely serious when I say that I pray that I am wrong about Obama.
Dixiecat, you are not wrong. He will be a disaster for America.
kcdixiecat
10-29-2008, 03:55 PM
I just got a lecture from my boss about how many evil things republicans have done over the last 8 years and that he is voting for Obama. This guy is not your ususal Kool Aid drinker. I am pretty sure he is a registered republican if not independent. The good news is his dad is the owner of the comapany and he has urged all to vote McCain - LOL. People are all over the charts on this one. I hope if Obama wins he can find his moderate side and govern, rather then trying to legislate some form of socialism and rubber stamping Pelosi and Reid's agendas.
Grins..oh no...don't get me started on Pelosi and Reid. I can rant for hours on this topic. It's funny to me. I grew up in a conservative republican household. My dad was involved in local and state level politics my entire life...I did manage to upset him a couple of times by voting different than he would have preferred....but this election..it scares the hell out of me. I don't remember ever seeing this wonderful country of ours so divided over an election. It's way past ugly...this is disgusting.
My dad has been gone for almost 8 years...and I'm really missing him during this election. He would have been right in the middle of all of this....shaking his head in disbelief at the BS that the celebrity is trying to feed us.
cstoehr
10-29-2008, 05:37 PM
I just saw a youtube thingy from a black reverend having children telling Obama not to take away Christmas. That was a new on on me....that he doesn't celebrate Christmas...but is a Christian. Also, why to they call him Tarzan?
I am not trying to start or restart rumors, only asking as I have never seen him referred that way.
It does not appear that this issue will go away.
Allan Keyes has filed suit in California now.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80931
There is also a get involved site where one can see the status of the different eforts being pursed:
http://americamustknow.com/default.aspx
Great Danish
11-17-2008, 11:27 PM
O.k. - this is kinda - sorta on this topic...so forgive me. A friend of mine who is in the Jefferson Parish Correctional arena told me that he saw first hand a group of folks called The Jeremiah Group come into the correctional facilities, pick up ILLEAGAL immigrants and took them to vote for Obama and then bring them back to jail. Could this be true? I know there is a ton of corruption out there but this just sounds too outlandish to be for real. Have any of you heard of this group or know some one in the prison system to comment on this?
O.k. - this is kinda - sorta on this topic...so forgive me. A friend of mine who is in the Jefferson Parish Correctional arena told me that he saw first hand a group of folks called The Jeremiah Group come into the correctional facilities, pick up ILLEAGAL immigrants and took them to vote for Obama and then bring them back to jail. Could this be true? I know there is a ton of corruption out there but this just sounds too outlandish to be for real. Have any of you heard of this group or know some one in the prison system to comment on this?
Never heard of them. It would not surprise me.
edit:
http://www.jeremiahgroup.org/
Things that make you go Hmm?
JudiB
01-21-2009, 06:07 AM
Well, his birth records in Hawaii have been sealed until the conclusion of the election. His birth records in Kenya have been sealed until after the election. Clearly this man is the Messiah, not born of a virgin, but born in two places at one time! a true Miracle!
I'm just curious Alex, and don't mean to stir up a hornet's nest again, but the election is long over. I haven't heard anything about unsealed Hawaiian records.
Another thing I kept hearing before the election was that he was a Muslim. I'm sure there were lots of other rumors floating around about him that I didn't hear.
Schuarta
01-21-2009, 11:14 AM
Another thing I kept hearing before the election was that he was a Muslim.
He was born and raised a Muslim. At some point, it is said, he elected to change to Christianity. However, the Muslim doctrine specifies there is no such thing as "opting out", only opting in!
I personally believe he is still a Muslim, at heart and at seoul, masquerading as a Christian for political purposes. He kept is full name - BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA - making no change when "converted"!
I'll leave you with one simple question - what is the religion of all of those fighting on the "wrong side" throughout the world right now? Israel? Syria? Jordan? Iraq? Afghanistan? Iran? Somalia? World Trade Center? Pentagon?
I'm just curious Alex, and don't mean to stir up a hornet's nest again, but the election is long over. I haven't heard anything about unsealed Hawaiian records.
Another thing I kept hearing before the election was that he was a Muslim. I'm sure there were lots of other rumors floating around about him that I didn't hear.
The SCOTUS has rejected all the lawsuits. I did hear somwhere that he provided the original of the scanned document that was on factcheck.org to someone and they said it apeared to be authentic. The governor of Hawaii has verified that he was born there. I am pretty sure this is a dead issue as far as the law is concerned. As far as the truth goes, I feel we may never know.
Editted to add: It does appear that a US Serviceman is suing over this and that case is still pending. There is another case pending that is sealed.
JudiB
01-22-2009, 07:15 AM
So basically, those pesky lil facts won't stand in the way of what you believe, eh?
The fact that his pastor of over 20 years, in a Christian church made an ass out of himself.... that won't stop you from believing he's a Muslim?
The fact that the Muslim religion is peace loving and the terrorists are part of a convoluted splinter group, that won't stop you from accusing the man of being a terrorist.....
The fact that he was born in the United States won't stop you from believing that he's not a citizen.
This is thinly disguised bigotry.
Well, this middle aged white lady, born and bred upper class, is thrilled to have lived to see the day when a black man was elected president. And even more thrilled that it's Obama. He's smart, he's politically savvy, he's assembled a great team, and I have every hope that he will finesse us out of this precipice of a Great Depression we've found ourselves in.
Schuarta
01-22-2009, 08:30 AM
So basically, those pesky lil facts won't stand in the way of what you believe, eh?
The fact that his pastor of over 20 years, in a Christian church made an ass out of himself.... that won't stop you from believing he's a Muslim?
The fact that the Muslim religion is peace loving and the terrorists are part of a convoluted splinter group, that won't stop you from accusing the man of being a terrorist.....
The fact that he was born in the United States won't stop you from believing that he's not a citizen.
This is thinly disguised bigotry.
Well, this middle aged white lady, born and bred upper class, is thrilled to have lived to see the day when a black man was elected president. And even more thrilled that it's Obama. He's smart, he's politically savvy, he's assembled a great team, and I have every hope that he will finesse us out of this precipice of a Great Depression we've found ourselves in.
You are letting this good point cloud your analysis, as are millions of others. We got a black man. We just did not get a good black man. Please read the Canadian editorial on the nearby thread.
The man who preaches... "God Damn America!" This is so much more than simply being an ass.
Where did you ever get this data. Name another 21st century religion that straps bombs to its women an children. What terrible "cause" could ever warrant such action.
What do you think caused the current economic condition. Maybe goverment intervention and legislation.
The most inportant 1st action to him is to close Guantanamo, moving its illustrious clients to U.S. soil in California, Kansas or Kentucky, and South Carolina, where subequent legal action could have them released. Well, at least you're not in one of those states.
Yes I think with "pesky facts". And if judgement = bigotry, well so be it.
JudiB
01-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Schuarta, I'm going by a nine week course in world religions that I'm just coming off of. The Muslim religion is a peaceful one, and what is happening with terrorists is an abomination to them. All religions have splinter, extreme groups, and it's not fair to demonize the entire group because of it. I don't hear anyone saying that Christians are barbaric, (despite the Crusades, and the Inquisitions), just because of Timothy McVay.
Back on topic... the facts support that our president was born in the United States. The facts support that he is a practicing Christian.
LOL, I knew this would be pointless... oh well, I'm sorry to have gotten into it. It's great that we can all have such differing opinions though. :toast:
Schuarta
01-22-2009, 12:03 PM
Intelligent discussion is never pointless.
And I will be happy to offer my retraction if history proves me wrong. :toast:
At least you're going into this "term" happy and upbeat, while I am full of fear and worry.
I really do not care if he is a Muslim or not. I did not care that Romney was a Mormon either. I have know many a nice Muslim in my day and I have never met a Mormon I did not like.
That being said, one of the theories on why he will not produce the long form vault copy of his COLB is that his mother listed his religion as Muslim on it. I do not see the big deal with that, but perhaps he thought it would be a deal breaker. Just a theory...
cstoehr
01-22-2009, 05:30 PM
Well it is too late now so why not release it?
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.