How Awesome is Sarah Palin's Speech Going To Be Tonight?

[bam bam]

I soiled myself reading some of the excerpts.

[ChoWeb]

Taking on Sarah as a Veep is shameless pandering to the women who would have voted for Hillary and are on the fence. It is obviously McCain's effort to make himself look "younger" and "hipper." A Maverick move if ever there was one, and I'm torn about it. As a woman hunter, and someone who is very much in management of the wild places, I have faith that Palin might actually have my interests in mind in a reasonable, rational way.

However, her track record in her own home town is less than stellar, not to mention the very suspect firing of the state trooper divorcing her sister.

I'm also a bit surprised by the double standard I'm seeing. While I am in total agreement that Bristol's baby is completely private, I see the right often chastise teenagers for their unplanned pregnancies supported by tax payers. Given that Bristol is going to be supported by her mother, whose salary is being paid by tax payers, that seems it would be a sticking issue.

[James Ridgely]

Taking on Sarah as a Veep is shameless pandering to the women who would have voted for Hillary and are on the fence. It is obviously McCain's effort to make himself look "younger" and "hipper." A Maverick move if ever there was one, and I'm torn about it. As a woman hunter, and someone who is very much in management of the wild places, I have faith that Palin might actually have my interests in mind in a reasonable, rational way.

However, her track record in her own home town is less than stellar, not to mention the very suspect firing of the state trooper divorcing her sister.

I'm also a bit surprised by the double standard I'm seeing. While I am in total agreement that Bristol's baby is completely private, I see the right often chastise teenagers for their unplanned pregnancies supported by tax payers. Given that Bristol is going to be supported by her mother, whose salary is being paid by tax payers, that seems it would be a sticking issue.

Hehe....Liberals are so funny when they're bitter.

[Titchou]

Liberal? She's a right-winger if I ever saw one!

[ChoWeb]

Hehe....Liberals are so funny when they're bitter.

What do I have to be bitter about? I just watched the speech. I don't think I have anything to fear.

It's still a gimmick. And you're still an empty hack.

[kcdixiecat]

Great speech! I think we have us a winner

[T. Slob]

My take is that the speech will likely excite the Republican base (i.e. compulsive gamblers with Reagan fetishes or 300 pound landmonsters who blog about their food critic rape fantasies) but probably won't bring in the moderates McCain needs to salvage any chance of beating Obama.

[ChoWeb]

My take is that the speech will likely excite the Republican base (i.e. compulsive gamblers with Reagan fetishes or 300 pound landmonsters who blog about their food critic rape fantasies) but probably won't bring in the moderates McCain needs to salvage any chance of beating Obama.

Not to mention that one of their own called Palin "political bullshiat," today.

But, they can love their Ms. Bridge-To-Nowhere. Her little lie about saying "thanks, but no thanks" to it is almost as confounding as the need for the neocons to believe it. She supported it right up until Congress were going to axe the remainder of the project. It was only then that she said "No, thanks.." after she had the tax payer money, of course.

[flyinbayou]

Not to mention that one of their own called Palin "political bullshiat," today.

But, they can love their Ms. Bridge-To-Nowhere. Her little lie about saying "thanks, but no thanks" to it is almost as confounding as the need for the neocons to believe it. She supported it right up until Congress were going to axe the remainder of the project. It was only then that she said "No, thanks.." after she had the tax payer money, of course.

Hmmm. I was a little confused after reading your previous entries, Cho. I mean, I always thought that you were a BH Lib but the previous statements in this thread made me think that you may have a shred of common sense when it came to politics.

But typical of your ilk, it only took one other of your type to turn on the tractor ray and draw you back into your misguided ideology and close your mind to someone that you thought may have represented your actual beliefs!

One question.

How many kids do you have Cho?

[James Ridgely]

How many kids do you have Cho?


I thought lesbians were more inclined to have cats....

[James Ridgely]

My take is that the speech will likely excite the Republican base (i.e. compulsive gamblers with Reagan fetishes or 300 pound landmonsters who blog about their food critic rape fantasies) but probably won't bring in the moderates McCain needs to salvage any chance of beating Obama.

Hehe....Liberals are so funny when they're bitter.

Thanks for reading, slob!

[Dark and Stormy]

Seriously Cho, I thought you were a deeper thinker rather than one to just spout talking points. It is pretty clear that the Palin choice is of a piece with a very well run campaign by McCain. He totally played beat the puppy/pet the puppy perfectly with the base and the tails are wagging. Turnout is key and right now on the left you have the PUMA schism. I don't say they will vote for the GOP, but the Hillary die hards may not vote after what they think is a rough treatment at the hands of Barry's crew and the press.
Plus the fact that the youth vote is overestimated unless they are worried about being drafted. Otherwise, they show for the concert and post to youtube, but can't be bothered to register or GOTV.
The fact that the left is throwing up everything they can to see what sticks just shows their desperation and fear of her on the ticket. They are whistling past the graveyard if they think the picayune things like a teen pregnancy or this troopergate thing are going to make McCain throw her under the bus. He is already winning because he has Barry O defending his creds vs. the GOP VP pick. Google McCain and OODA loop and you will see what is happening here. As if it weren't the obvious outcome for a side that thinks having 300 odd foriegn policy advisors is a plus.

[gumbo lover]

Palin hit a home run. She will eat Biden's lunch. She could eat Obama's lunch.

[Schuarta]

If the liberals truly believed she was such a poor unelectable choice, their present reaction would be totally unnecessary! Just leave McCain and Palin to go down in defeat!

Rather, in truth, they are scared to death of her! Hence the need for the biggest mud-slinging campaign in U.S. political history!

Hey libs, your moose is cooked! :laughup: :laughup: :laughup: :laughup: :laughup:

[Schuarta]

Palin hit a home run. She will eat Biden's lunch. She could eat Obama's lunch.

Another Palin and Tomato and Gumbo lover. Thanks for your support!

[ChoWeb]

Hmmm. I was a little confused after reading your previous entries, Cho. I mean, I always thought that you were a BH Lib but the previous statements in this thread made me think that you may have a shred of common sense when it came to politics.

But typical of your ilk, it only took one other of your type to turn on the tractor ray and draw you back into your misguided ideology and close your mind to someone that you thought may have represented your actual beliefs!

One question.

How many kids do you have Cho?


I'm sorry. Can you refute my statements? If I'm wrong about them, I'm wrong. I just thought you wanted someone who was fiscally conservative, and all signs are currently pointing to "No," on the McCain/Palin ticket. I think you could expect spending just like under the Bush regime, and perhaps a new war with Iran. I watched last night, curious to see what her platform was, but instead her platform was to talk about McCain's POW status. I won't take away from his bravery in vietnam, but being a POW or a soldier does not a great president make. Some of the vilest people in history had those creds, and while I'm not drawing the comparison between McCain and people of their ilk, I am saying it's a lousy litmus test.

D&S, I didn't even bring up the baby or the trooper thing. Though, the latter is of some ethical concern, don't you think? Again, I'm not sure why all the salivation over Palin, other than for dimwits that post a 'shopped vogue magazine operating under the "She's hot!" vote.

[Pelican Six]

"Again, I'm not sure why all the salivation over Palin, other than for dimwits that post a 'shopped vogue magazine operating under the "She's hot!" vote."Because she's our chance to reignite a true conservative movement within the party. BTW, Trooper Wooten was NOT fired. His boss was, who speculated that his refusal to fire Wooten was ONE of the reasons he was terminated.Some fun facts about upstanding Trooper Wooten:- Beat the sh*t out of his wife, Palin's sister.- Tasered his 11 year-old stepson.- Was caught drinking beer in his cruiser.- Threatened to put a bullet in the head of his father-in-law, Palin's father.Now you tell me, would using her influence as governor to get him fired, which she denies, have been inappropriate?

[Pelican Six]

on fiscal conservatism: Palin sold the governor's jet when she took office & eliminated unnecessary positions. You'll love this: she nixed the oil companies' plan for a longer natural gas pipeline, which THEY would have owned in favor of a shorter, less expensive pipeline which ALASKA owns. She also raised the royalties on the oil companies & canceled the leases they held that they had not made efforts to exploit.She initially supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" project when it was much less expensive. When the cost, and the matching funds required of Alaska kept growing, she withdrew her support for the project. D.C. still gave Alaska the money, which went into other infrastructure improvement projects.THAT is what I consider fiscal conservatism, backed by research, not talking points.Apparently, ChoWeb's idea of fiscal conservatism is "I don't want my tax dollars wasted on a woman's salary who'll spend it on a retarded boy."Liberals - taste the sweet, sweet compassion.

[bam bam]

I cannot wait until she campaigns in Louisiana. I am sooooo there.

I am in love.

[ChoWeb]

"Again, I'm not sure why all the salivation over Palin, other than for dimwits that post a 'shopped vogue magazine operating under the "She's hot!" vote."Because she's our chance to reignite a true conservative movement within the party. BTW, Trooper Wooten was NOT fired. His boss was, who speculated that his refusal to fire Wooten was ONE of the reasons he was terminated.Some fun facts about upstanding Trooper Wooten:- Beat the sh*t out of his wife, Palin's sister.- Tasered his 11 year-old stepson.- Was caught drinking beer in his cruiser.- Threatened to put a bullet in the head of his father-in-law, Palin's father.Now you tell me, would using her influence as governor to get him fired, which she denies, have been inappropriate?

Look. Just because it may be true and makes you angry doesn't make it a "talking point."

True conservative?! Don't make me laugh. Look at her spending habits! They're all right there for you to see (not to mention McCain's lack of " fiscal conservatism"). You're just deluding yourself, now. What kind of talking point are the facts concerning the Bridge-to-Nowhere? She was an avid supporter, only when Congress earmarked it did she make the sudden move to say no thanks but still kept the funds. Why is it her colleagues in Alaska are scratching their heads and upset about his sudden assertion that she was the champion of turning it down? And what about that largest operating budget in Alaska history? So she took money from an oil company, but the rest of her track record speaks nothing of fiscal conservatism. Oh, I know the trooper wasn't fired, but his boss was, and he was fired after being harassed by Palin's family and co-workers to fire Wooten, which Palin admits happened. Of course she says "Well yes, they called him about Wooten, but certainly I didn't know anything about that." Right. What about those very vague "performance" issues she cites? Maybe it did happen the way she describes, but when it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

The fact remains she's clearly NOT the most qualified for the Republican's VP pick. There were others that would have made an outstanding choice and really been someone to consider. Palin, however, is as Noonan, the speech writer for Reagan, said "polical bullshiat."

If you are going to quote me, please try to get it right. I NEVER said anything about supporting her son. That's repulsive and offensive that you would insinuate I said anything like that.

I missed that little gem that you were in favor of corrupt governments. Government officials should use their political power to intimidate for personal gains? Yes, its wrong. You need to be told that? I can't believe you just implied that its ok to do something like that. Wow...just, wow. That's disgusting. Do you think by harassing his boss to get Wooten fired it was an attempt to save her sister? Doesn't sound like it to me.

[Dark and Stormy]

D&S, I didn't even bring up the baby or the trooper thing. Though, the latter is of some ethical concern, don't you think? Again, I'm not sure why all the salivation over Palin, other than for dimwits that post a 'shopped vogue magazine operating under the "She's hot!" vote.

I did not say you brought it up but the left did. Are you now admitting membership? Re ethical concerns, P6 covered that fine. I'd be shocked to see similar concerns re Biden's sweetheart deals with his son's company.

Palin ably articulated what a lot of self starter libertarians and conservatives feel about government; the less the better in most cases. The enthusiasm for Palin, hawt or not, is more based on her ability to sell ideas that make sense to average people and not of the cultish celebutard quality of those who adulate The One.

[Pelican Six]

I misspoke, Cho. I confused one lefty meme with another. You don't want her pissing your tax dollars away on her GRANDCHILD. You're right. That sounds much more compassionate.Incidentally, why are you so worked up about Palin? You were never going to vote for the ticket.You and your liberal compatriots reek of fear. True Conservatives have found a new standard bearer and are excited about the future of the party for the first time in years. One who has made principled stands on corruption and cleared out a lot of the deadwood IN HER OWN PARTY. Not surprising that you're having buyer's remorse now. But don't worry - you've still got "Hope" and "Change" to curl yourself around at night.

[ChoWeb]

I misspoke, Cho. I confused one lefty meme with another. You don't want her pissing your tax dollars away on her GRANDCHILD. You're right. That sounds much more compassionate.Incidentally, why are you so worked up about Palin? You were never going to vote for the ticket.You and your liberal compatriots reek of fear. True Conservatives have found a new standard bearer and are excited about the future of the party for the first time in years. One who has made principled stands on corruption and cleared out a lot of the deadwood IN HER OWN PARTY. Not surprising that you're having buyer's remorse now. But don't worry - you've still got "Hope" and "Change" to curl yourself around at night.


Well, considering your response is vague and is what I would consider now to be little more than mudslinging and talking points, I'd say that it isn't the Dem fear you're smelling, but the obvious Conservative desperation.

You are mistaken, though, to believe I buy all of Obama's BS. I know he's a politician like all the rest, and unlike you, I don't vote down the party lines, preferring to think for myself. Weighing everything out, McCain feels like more of the same rampant spending we've seen from the Bush administration that will go to special interests, serving to make what's already Big Gov't even bigger, and what's worse, has insinuated a war with Iran is a real possibility several times. I would have voted for McCain in 2000. I wouldn't any more. I'll take the lesser of two evils, thank you. If someone is going to be spending (and they both will), I'd rather they be honest about it with me. McCain has flip-flopped so many times in the past 8 years, its really difficult to tell what his true motives are. I'm just shocked that so many are falling for the "but now I'm a fiscal conservative like you" line.

Am I saying Palin is all bad? No, but she clearly wasn't the best candidate available. Moreover, why would a candidate choose someone who is not necessarily the best for the job when there are others with better credentials and a better track record? Because she might be the best for getting him votes from the Hillary supporters, and those who saw him as an old fart. As Noonan said, it's "political bullshiat." It has nothing to do with whether or not she's good for the job.

As for the Grandson thing, I just wanted to point out the double standard that some conservatives on here are demonstrating. It's ok for taxpayer money to go support her 17 year old's baby, but its not ok for some other inner city 17 year old to be supported by tax-payers. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with taxpayers paying for other's mistakes, but it does seem a bit hypocritical to give one a pass and thumb your nose at the other, don't you think?

[gumbo lover]

I haven't read anything about the taxpayers supporting the birth/care of Palin's future grandchild. Just where was that information?

[cstoehr]

I haven't read anything about the taxpayers supporting the birth/care of Palin's future grandchild. Just where was that information?


Me either. And why would they since it appears that the daughter and boyfriend are getting married? I believe they plan to support their own baby.

[ChoWeb]

Well, they're getting married but they've been pretty open about the fact that she's continuing to live off of her mother. Who pays Palin's salary?

[gumbo lover]

Well, they're getting married but they've been pretty open about the fact that she's continuing to live off of her mother. Who pays Palin's salary?



Are you sure you don't want to edit that comment before too many people read it?

So, if I work for the government, earning a salary, the taxpayers should get to choose on what I spend my personal earned salary?

That has to be the lamest statement I've read in a long time. Actually, I don't even think it ranks up there with lame.

[ChoWeb]

Are you sure you don't want to edit that comment before too many people read it?

So, if I work for the government, earning a salary, the taxpayers should get to choose on what I spend my personal earned salary?

That has to be the lamest statement I've read in a long time. Actually, I don't even think it ranks up there with lame.

Ok, I know you don't like me much, but could you withdraw your claws for a moment and take a look at what I meant? I'm not opposed to it at all. I think everyone should be allowed to do as they wish with the money they earn. However, I think its a odd double standard. Not just financially, but the cries for Personal Responsibility which are not surprisingly silent.

[ChoWeb]

Here's a condensed version of the "fact checking" of things said last night by Palin and about Palin.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP

[cstoehr]

What is the double standard?

[gumbo lover]

Ok, I know you don't like me much, but could you withdraw your claws for a moment and take a look at what I meant? I'm not opposed to it at all. I think everyone should be allowed to do as they wish with the money they earn. However, I think its a odd double standard. Not just financially, but the cries for Personal Responsibility which are not surprisingly silent.


You've lost me. You're not opposed to what? Palin taking care of her daughter's and grandchild's welfare with her own personally earned money (or maybe they'll use her husband's income), rather than them being on welfare? You don't get to be opposed to what Palin does with her money regardless of who pays her paycheck. She earns it. You say this is an "odd double standard". It may be odd, but I fail to see the double standard in the examples given.

In your scenario, one 17 yr. old is pregnant and will be supported by her mother, who happens to be be paid for her job by the taxpayers. The other pregnant 17 yr.old will be supported by the taxpayers, period. I fail to see any similarities other than 2 pregnant 17 yr. olds.

If Mom was employed by a private employer and chose to support her child, what exactly is the difference between Palin choosing to use her own salary to support her child? Neither the private employer nor the taxpayers/employers have any say in how an employee chooses to spend his or her money.

My initial question and following comments have nothing to do with whether I like you. I don't know you. Wouldn't have mattered to me who made the initial statement when I asked where that info could be found. I'd have said the same thing to my best friend.

[T. Slob]

Hehe....Liberals are so funny when they're bitter.

Thanks for reading, slob!


Sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way, J.R. I just figured you'd enjoy some half-truths and baseless personal attacks seeing as you liked Sarah's speech so much.

But you've got me all wrong, I'm anything but bitter. I've got so much to be happy about. Kay Hagan has now pulled ahead of Dole in North Carolina, meaning another democratic pickup in the senate. Mary Landrieu's now over 10 points ahead of John Kennedy. Obama broke 50% in national polls for the first time, and on the last day of the Republican Convention, McCain still hasn't seen a bounce. Obama's got Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota essentially locked up, and is leading in Ohio and Colorado. McCain essentially has to run the table to win this election, an occurrence which grows exceedingly unlikely considering he's picked perhaps the biggest trainwreck of a VP candidate in recent memory. I mean seriously, we have a woman here who is not only highly inexperienced but also has been linked to... wait for it... a whacked out preacher who said anyone who didn't vote for Bush is going to hell. Leaving all else aside, McCain's VP pick just utterly nullified two of his strongest arguments against Obama: his lack of experience and connection to a controversial preacher. This alone makes her a bad pick never mind her connections to Ted Stevens, her exaggeration of her record as a reformer, her personal/family problems, and the ethics investigation she's currently knee-deep in.

At least you can rest easy thinking about all the swing voters she's clearly brought in. After all, if not for her speech yesterday we might have seen James Ridgley, Bam Bam, or Schuarta voting for Obama. Clearly these are the kind of fence-sitting moderates that John McCain's campaign really needed to bring in.

Anyway, sorry to rain on your parade, I know you guys are psyched about Sarah Palin, but I promise you're nowhere near as psyched as I am.

Here's a condensed version of the "fact checking" of things said last night by Palin and about Palin.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CVN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP

Also, thanks for the link Cho. I hope the media picks this up and runs with it, somebody needs to keep the Republicans honest.

[James Ridgely]

Sorry if my post rubbed you the wrong way, J.R. I just figured you'd enjoy ...blah blah blah blah.


Thanks for reading, slob!

[flyinbayou]

Well, they're getting married but they've been pretty open about the fact that she's continuing to live off of her mother. Who pays Palin's salary?


LOL!

Just as suspected.

NEXT!

[Blue Cross Sux]

Some FAQs:

http://www.slate.com/id/2199362/

[ChoWeb]

LOL!

Just as suspected.

NEXT!

Ok. If you don't agree with me about the double standard (I think its the moral double standard I see coming from some neocons that rubs me the wrong way, I do understand that people can spend their money how they want - that was never in contention), what about the rest? You haven't bothered to touch that. The Bristol baby thing was the LEAST of my concerns. You guys picked apart the most minor of issues that I presented and didn't touch the major ones.

You had nothing to say before. Now its just "Next?" That's like going to tune up your car and congratulating yourself and leaving the job because you got a dome light fixed without ever looking under the hood.

[Pelican Six]

If you don't understand the difference between a paycheck and a welfare check, how are you going to understand the concept of personal responsibility?Instead of getting an abortion or waiting on a check from Uncle Sugar, these kids decided to get married and raise their own baby. How much more of an example of personal responsibility do you want?I'm sure the lack of condemnation of Bristol as a whore from the right is confusing and frustrating for you, so let me try to explain."For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." What liberals fear most about religion is the possibility of judgment for their actions. But what they understand least about Christians is the acknowledgment that we are all sinners, and no one expects perfection. Another complete mystery to them is the concept of confession, forgiveness and atonement, and the admonition to love one another. There are Bristol Palins in almost every family on the right. The difference is that families on the right don't see babies as a "punishment", to be avoided by killing an unborn child, but rather as a responsibility to be met.Sure, the kid screwed up - so what? Who hasn't? You seem to want to us to judge Bristol by the standards you IMAGINE your ideological opponents hold. Christianity is based on love, not judgment. It's organized around the recognition that we are NOT perfect, and that we are EXPECTED to screw up, but that we are to love one another anyway.Is that too "vague" for you?

[ChoWeb]

If you don't understand the difference between a paycheck and a welfare check, how are you going to understand the concept of personal responsibility?Instead of getting an abortion or waiting on a check from Uncle Sugar, these kids decided to get married and raise their own baby. How much more of an example of personal responsibility do you want?I'm sure the lack of condemnation of Bristol as a whore from the right is confusing and frustrating for you, so let me try to explain."For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." What liberals fear most about religion is the possibility of judgment for their actions. But what they understand least about Christians is the acknowledgment that we are all sinners, and no one expects perfection. Another complete mystery to them is the concept of confession, forgiveness and atonement, and the admonition to love one another. There are Bristol Palins in almost every family on the right. The difference is that families on the right don't see babies as a "punishment", to be avoided by killing an unborn child, but rather as a responsibility to be met.Sure, the kid screwed up - so what? Who hasn't? You seem to want to us to judge Bristol by the standards you IMAGINE your ideological opponents hold. Christianity is based on love, not judgment. It's organized around the recognition that we are NOT perfect, and that we are EXPECTED to screw up, but that we are to love one another anyway.Is that too "vague" for you?


Because I know if that it were Barack's 17 year old daughter pregnant out of wedlock, the Neocons would be using it as a weapon and all this talk of "Good family values" would be out the door. That's how. But that is, I admit pure speculation on my part, and you can feel free to swear up and down that it'd NEVER happen. I don't believe you, but that's all a matter of opinion so difficult to argue. And really. Have you read the boyfriend's quote about kids on his own MySpace page? This a shotgun wedding and has nothing to do with "personal responsibility". Bristol is still going to be supported by her mother, which is fine, but that's a boon of circumstance that she has a mommy capable of taking care of her through this. That's not "personal responsibility," that's just pure dumb luck. You would NEVER be judgmental about someone's mistakes. Right. I'll remember that and have that quote ready for future reference. I'll be looking for that Christian notion of forgiveness and compassion for someone else on the other side of the tracks that makes a mistake.

Now, you STILL haven't touched the larger issues I have presented. Why not? This Bristol stuff, as I said before, is small potatoes. Is it the only point of contention to which you feel you can argue?

[Pelican Six]

The "Troopergate" and "Bridge to Nowhere" lines of attack have been discussed and debunked. There's no "there" there. But please continue harping on them if it pleases you. The lack of condemnation of Bristol from the right has been dealt with. Please continue judging her by standards you are not willing to meet. I think you've almost got flyinbayou convinced to vote for Obama.The only other argument you seemed to have is that you favor smaller, less intrusive government and that somehow, Obama is the "lesser of two evils" in that regard. If you can square that circle, I'd love to see it.

[ChoWeb]

The "Troopergate" and "Bridge to Nowhere" lines of attack have been discussed and debunked. There's no "there" there. But please continue harping on them if it pleases you. The lack of condemnation of Bristol from the right has been dealt with. Please continue judging her by standards you are not willing to meet. I think you've almost got flyinbayou convinced to vote for Obama.The only other argument you seemed to have is that you favor smaller, less intrusive government and that somehow, Obama is the "lesser of two evils" in that regard. If you can square that circle, I'd love to see it.




No, they haven't. You said they were debunked, provided no evidence, I came back gave you evidence to which now you're doing the internet equivalent of plugging you're ears and saying "I don't hear you!" Now, I've told you that the Bridge to Nowhere is absolutely a legitimate issue, and I've given you ample evidence to which you have no response.

I'm confused by which standards you think I should meet? I'm not condemning Bristol at all. I am condemning the right for their hypocrisy. Don't piss in my eye and tell me its raining.

[Pelican Six]

Wow! Bitter much? Dumb luck that her "mommy" can take care of her? There's the sweet, sweet compassion I was looking for. Then again, you're of The Party That Feels Your Pain, so your empathy is expected. I believe you were saying something about double standards?There's no such thing as a shotgun wedding anymore. And if Bristol wanted an abortion, she could have gotten one. I'm sure that would have gained her some lefty street cred. What a disappointment that her family would help her raise her child when the smart thing to do would be to scrape that little inconvenience right on outta there.

[ChoWeb]

Wow! Bitter much? Dumb luck that her "mommy" can take care of her? There's the sweet, sweet compassion I was looking for. Then again, you're of The Party That Feels Your Pain, so your empathy is expected. I believe you were saying something about double standards?There's no such thing as a shotgun wedding anymore. And if Bristol wanted an abortion, she could have gotten one. I'm sure that would have gained her some lefty street cred. What a disappointment that her family would help her raise her child when the smart thing to do would be to scrape that little inconvenience right on outta there.

Wow. You just totally missed the point, didn't you? Dumb luck isn't an insult. But you would condemn a woman who got pregnant out of wedlock and had no one to help her care for it. Make no mistake, if Bristol lived the inner cities, her mom may not have been there to help her. And you and your ilk condemned people like that. It is pure luck what family you're born in. I do't see that as lacking compassion to say that statement. Maybe you can explain how it is? You're full of utter bullshiat. And you know what else I learned in bible school? Charity. Or do you follow the Chinese Menu version of Christianity..pick and choose what suits you best.

For the record, get off the damn abortion issue. I'd never get one myself, so its a moot point to bring that into an argument. I am not condemning Bristol. I am condemning the right. Not for supporting her, but for all the poeple they repeatedly condemn for making the SAME mistake but not being as fortunate to been in the same familiar environment. Now you wave teh banner of Christianity in such a vile manipulative and disgusting way I'm surprised a lightening bolt doesn't come from the heavens and strike you dead where you are. Its a lie that you'd give everyone the same compassion. And we all know why that it is. All this posturing about it being because "we forgive," its because if you attacked her the same way you attack someone not like you, it would ruin Palin's chance and McCain's chance. That's the only reason she's getting your compassion now. That's the hypocrisy that pisses me off.

Now, get back on the ****ing important issues.

[Pelican Six]

Cho, it's hard to cut and paste from this phone, so I'm going to suggest you re-read this thread from the beginning. Slowly. You do realize that by attacking Sarah Palin directly, Obama's already lost, don't you? You never give a political subordinate direct attention. It diminishes your stature in the eyes of the electorate. Oh, and if I was pissing in your eye, I'd TELL you I was pissing in your eye.She gave her explanation for withdrawing support for the bridge and it makes sense. Wife-beating, child-tasering, drunk and threatening Trooper Wooten was never fired. His boss, who was fired, only SPECULATES that his refusal to deal with Wooten was only ONE OF MANY reasons he was replaced. She denies pushing for his removal. You choose to believe a known sh!tbag over her. I can't help you with that.

[Pelican Six]

Thanks for telling me what I would hypothetically condemn and how hypocritical the right is for NOT condemning her. I appreciate the e-psychoanalysis. You sure can't beat the cost.What I have no desire to respond to are your vile racist statements. "Chinese menu version of Christianity?" There are Chinese Christians being oppressed for their faith right now & I am disgusted with your dismissiveness of their sacrifices.Nutjob.

[flyinbayou]

Nutjob.

Ahh, PS, you're catching on!:laughup:

Now you see why I don't waste time debating it.

[DanD]

Cho has morphed into feng junior (mixed with michael dumbinici and Jak)

Congratulations:shootself:

[Turbodog]

After rewading this thread, I wouldn't even kno wwhere to start with regard to comments made by Cho. Unbelievable is all I can say. Nutjob is probably pretty close.

Pelican6, you have far more pateince than I, trying to have an intellegent discourse with this irrational person.

[ChoWeb]

You're willing to give a the "pass" to the sentiment that political corruption (and by the way, how does being the boss of a bad husband make him a shiatbag?) is ok and I'm the nutjob? That it is now ok to abuse your position of power for personal gain. Got it. Of course she claims she knew nothing of her family and friends and coworkers harassing the guy. Who needs specifics for "performance" problems? That's the kind of government you want. Moreoever, you're choosing to believe Palin's word about what her "reasoning" was for stopping the Bridge to Nowhere project, over the word of her constituents, the people she told she was in support of it, and the historical evidence of how the deal actually went down, all of which really negates her retroactive explanations. I guess there really is one born every minute..

The Chinese Christians thing is just laughable and so far off base I don't even really want to dignify it with an argument. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the argument. You do understand what a chinese restaurant menu looks like, right? They're often long, and have so many items to choose from you can really find one or two things that suit you. Now tell me how that has anything to do with Chinese Christians? You're grasping at straws and I'll leave it at that.

Do I really need to get into the problems with McCain? I think I've touched on them, but if you'd really like (Turbodog, feel free to step in).

[Pelican Six]

The Chinese Christians thing is just laughable and so far off base I don't even really want to dignify it with an argument. It doesn't even make sense in the context of the argument. You do understand what a chinese restaurant menu looks like, right? They're often long, and have so many items to choose from you can really find one or two things that suit you. Now tell me how that has anything to do with Chinese Christians? You're grasping at straws and I'll leave it at that.


I can't believe you are actually responding to that. Somebody jammed six inches of Crazy Stick in your ear and just wiggled it all around, didn't they?

[ChoWeb]

I can't believe you are actually responding to that. Somebody jammed six inches of Crazy Stick in your ear and just wiggled it all around, didn't they?

Well you said it. Coming from you, I'd think you actually might believe what you said.

[Pelican Six]

I was going to let this drop, but I figured, "hey, why not make this an even 50 posts?"

It's time for you to embrace the horror, Cho. Sarah Palin, who will henceforth be referred to as The New Hotness, is going to be your first woman President of these United States.

And in closing, I'd like to pass along something I heard the other day:

SARAH PALIN = LAWRENCE TAYLOR

OBAMA = JOE THEISMANN'S LEG

[ChoWeb]

I was going to let this drop, but I figured, "hey, why not make this an even 50 posts?"

It's time for you to embrace the horror, Cho. Sarah Palin, who will henceforth be referred to as The New Hotness, is going to be your first woman President of these United States.

And in closing, I'd like to pass along something I heard the other day:

SARAH PALIN = LAWRENCE TAYLOR

OBAMA = JOE THEISMANN'S LEG

You win. I just found out an old college buddy of mine committed suicide last week so I haven't any drive to continue any old debates.

Best wishes, and no hard feelings on my part.

[flyinbayou]

Sorry to hear about your friend.

[ChoWeb]

Sorry to hear about your friend.

He was a good guy that wasted his life. Last time I saw him, he was a wreck (and I suspect might have been using..something. Missing teeth, etc. etc.). It makes me angry more than anything.

I will try to remember him for the times before he went down the spiral. Friendly, caring, and always good for a hug and a joke.

Thanks for the thoughts. I wish I'd done something.