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ChoWeb
07-25-2008, 09:16 AM
I am on several list serves to trace wildlife diseases and outbreaks that are emailed to me daily with updates. It also tracks domestic livestock and human related illnesses that stem from wildlife. This one came through. Please note that the reason why this hasn't been made into an official warning by the CDC is because of business. I understand their caution, but I thought I would share with people I know might be more likely to eat affected grouper. If your traveling to FL, be aware.

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: ProMED-mail <promed@promed.isid.harvard.edu>
Subject: PRO/AH/EDR> Ciguatera toxin - USA (FL), Bahamas

CIGUATERA TOXIN - USA (FLORIDA), BAHAMAS
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In Florida, More Cases of Ciguatera Poisoning from Fish
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Numbers are increasing in Florida of people getting sick from toxic
fish. The culprit is being narrowed down to grouper, as 5 more
individuals have been diagnosed with ciguatera. This type of
poisoning is caused by the consumption of certain subtropical and
tropical marine fish.

In Palm Beach County, the health department has confirmed that 5 more
people have become seriously ill from ciguatera just in the last
week. The health department usually only has a few cases in a year's
time. In recent years, Florida has had outbreaks of ciguatera
resulting from kingfish and amberjack. Other fish known to cause the
illness include barracuda, snapper, jacks, mackerel and triggerfish.

Signs of poisoning will usually occur within 6 hours after
consumption of the toxic fish. Symptoms include numbness, nausea,
vomiting and diarrhea. Some have even had experiences where they were
unable to discern between hot and cold (hot items felt cold and cold
items felt hot). The signs of poisoning usually only last several
days but severe cases have been known to persist for months.

Even with the numbers of ciguatera rising in South Florida, the CDC
has not issued any warnings against eating grouper at this time. A
warning of this kind could hurt a wide range of businesses as grouper
is one of the more popularly eaten fish in many restaurants.

What can you do to protect yourself from ciguatera poisoning? Experts
agree there really aren't any foolproof ways to protect against this
type of food poisoning. A person buying the fish at the store or even
catching it fresh in the ocean will not know by appearance if the
fish is toxic. The fish will have no signs from taste, smell or color
if it will cause ciguatera. Two of the individuals that have become
ill had eaten fish they caught themselves near the Bahamas.

[Byline: Angela Denise]

Oyster
07-25-2008, 11:08 AM
Thank you for the timely post!

...since I'm heading for Pensacola tomorrow and was planning on eating Grouper sandwiches all week.

Well, since I don't pay attention to the oyster warnings, guess I will have to make a judgement call.

If I come back next week and say something like the water was cold, or I froze my azz off on the beach, I may have a symptoms!

cstoehr
07-25-2008, 12:07 PM
Thank you for the timely post!

...since I'm heading for Pensacola tomorrow and was planning on eating Grouper sandwiches all week.

Well, since I don't pay attention to the oyster warnings, guess I will have to make a judgement call.

If I come back next week and say something like the water was cold, or I froze my azz off on the beach, I may have a symptoms!



Just be sure to up your alcohol intake and you will be fine!

Yvette
07-25-2008, 12:19 PM
Hey Christine, glad you made it over here.

cstoehr
07-25-2008, 01:12 PM
Hey Christine, glad you made it over here.


Thanks. I am dealing with my 1st case of poison ivy, oak or something ever ...egad even on my face and I blame it on my big birthday last Friday. I am starting to fall apart. :) I hope to back to normal soon and enjoy the posts.

RouxTheDay
07-25-2008, 05:11 PM
Just be sure to up your alcohol intake and you will be fine!

LOL...unfortunately that doesn't work. My bro in law "caught" ciguatera last year around this time and he drinks more than anyone I know!

9 of 24 folks who at the grouper one night at English Turn got sick. It was only from word of mouth around the club that so many folks were sick that they figured out what it was. Not pretty.

Schuarta
07-25-2008, 07:09 PM
Just be sure to up your alcohol intake and you will be fine!

If alcohol doesn't work, try some nice hot hot sauce! Hot sauce is popular in so many places on the globe because it kills stomach bugs. :o

Oyster
07-26-2008, 12:31 AM
Thanks. I am dealing with my 1st case of poison ivy, oak or something ever ...egad even on my face and I blame it on my big birthday last Friday. I am starting to fall apart. :) I hope to back to normal soon and enjoy the posts.


Hummm...spent the birthday in the bushes, eh? :covri:

I load up on alcohol and hot sauce. I was thinking that it was concentrated around Miami, but now hearing that it hit English Turn, well hell, it could turn up anywhere. Wow. And I've been waiting for my Grouper...

Jeeves
07-26-2008, 02:46 AM
Hummm...spent the birthday in the bushes, eh? :covri:

I load up on alcohol and hot sauce. I was thinking that it was concentrated around Miami, but now hearing that it hit English Turn, well hell, it could turn up anywhere. Wow. And I've been waiting for my Grouper...

OMG! Will Bucktown be next? http://images39.fotki.com/v1268/photos/7/77640/753362/icon_e_confused-vi.gif

PNG
07-26-2008, 11:14 AM
Thanks. I am dealing with my 1st case of poison ivy, oak or something ever ...egad even on my face and I blame it on my big birthday last Friday. I am starting to fall apart. :) I hope to back to normal soon and enjoy the posts.

Use Dawn Dishwashing soap to rid yourself of poison ivy/oak when you catch it. The Dawn dissolves the vicous oil from the plant that causes the itch. Wash it right off. Old jungle trick. Hello Chris!

PNG
07-26-2008, 11:20 AM
The organism that causes ciguatera poisoning is common in fish around here. Usually, staying away from eating species in the jack family and barracuda will keep you clear though many church fairs and other events in the area used to use meat from jack crevalle as fried fish since they were so readily available and free of charge from donating churchgoers. If you eat enough fish containing mercury from our waters, you will not notice how badly you feel from the ciguatera poisoning.

cstoehr
07-29-2008, 04:41 PM
Use Dawn Dishwashing soap to rid yourself of poison ivy/oak when you catch it. The Dawn dissolves the vicous oil from the plant that causes the itch. Wash it right off. Old jungle trick. Hello Chris!

hello yourself!

I have always been careful about showering with lots of lather after doing yard work, but like I said I have never had it before so this is really doing a number on me. Today I feel like I am being constantly stung by bees. I would rather it would just plain itch.